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September 13, 2011
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331 million shares voted

265 million FOR the arrangement ….52 million against

as far as the majority of the minority

152 million voted

52 million against

Deal is done…..Al is there going over the ballots.

PC

September 13, 2011
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is that not less than 66 percent voting for?

September 13, 2011
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66 2/3% of all shareholders needed to pass the arrangement

50% + 1 needed to lock the majority of minority shareholders 

September 13, 2011
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If those numbers are true then this deal is not done!

 

152 -52 = 100 voted FOR the merger in the majority of the minority.

Finskiy transferred 56 million shares prior to the vote.

100 – 56 = 44 million

So 52 AGAINST and 44 FOR. Next stop….court.

 

This is good news. I was afraid we were going to lose the minority vote by 100+ million

September 13, 2011
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I agree on the 54 million Finskiy/Scola transfer.  However…were they excluded? 

331 million shares voted.  152 voted for MoM.  This means that 179 million shares were excluded (i.e. Finskiy etc.)  from the MoM vote. 

I had calculated 113 million ineligible

Finskiy = 111,913,215

Scola = 992,857

McNutt = 300,000

Sheridan = 50,000

TOTAL = 113,256,072 shares excluded

 

…So perhaps the 13 million held by Yanchukov and the 56.5 million transferred shares were excluded after all.  Since 113+13+56.5=182.5 million???

September 13, 2011
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265 million voted for the merger. Then for the 2nd count (the majority of the minority) they remove Finskiys/Scolas shares. 265 – 113 = 152

So they only excluded 113 million from the 2nd count.

September 13, 2011
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Unfortunately the math that Doc is using is what seemed apparent to me as well.  Relic, you may see this differently.

I will be debriefed this afternoon by Al Wiens and can give you a better indication on what makes up the votes.  He was still at the meeting going over ballots when we last spoke. 

We needed about 77 million votes against in the MoM vote.  Al's early indication is that there are no improprieties in the ballots but I won't know for a few more hours as to his legal opinion.

I'm sure we will hear from others at the meeting in short order.

All the best

PC

September 13, 2011
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LaughYou right Relic…just realised my math used the wrong number!  Yes, the 13million Yanchukov and the 56.5 million Scola/Finskiy transferred shares should most definitely be excluded!

September 13, 2011
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September 13, 2011
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Unless there is a typo in positive carrys post.

 

as far as the majority of the minority

152 million voted

52 million against

 

Did he mean to say 152 million voted FOR?

September 13, 2011
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From the conversation I had, 152 million shares voted in the MoM vote…of that total…..52 million voted against.

I hope this is clearer..

Sorry for the confusion

PC

September 13, 2011
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Hi PC

 

Then that is good news.  So again 100 Million voted FOR but Finskiy transferred 56 million shares which were counted but I'm expecting on the court to exclude. This means 52 Against and 44 FOR. It will take a judge to throw out the 56 million shares but I'm confident a judge will throw them out.

 

You cant simply transfer 56 million shares prior to the vote. That defeats the whole purpose of a minority vote.

 

Like I said…next stop….court on the 23rd.

 

September 13, 2011
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Doc counted 113 million illegible for the minority votes

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

So does it mean:-

1) 331 million voted

    265 million FOR the the arrangement….52 million AGAINST

    means 265/331=80.06% voted FOR the arrangement

2) Majority of the minority

    265-113(illegible vote)=152 million voted FOR?

    52 million voted against

    means the FOR votes has more than 50%+1 vote

September 13, 2011
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How does the 331 Million shares play in this?

September 13, 2011
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PC said 152 million voted (for the majority of the minority votes?) n 52 million voted against .

Means 100 million voted FOR? implying it still exceeds the 50% +1 votes ? 

September 13, 2011
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Just confirmed the count

in the MoM vote 152 million shares voted FOR the merger

52 million voted against the merger.

even if you back out the 57 million questionable shares it is still a loss.

Sorry

pc

September 13, 2011
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Posters must recount their tallys… 

Shares issued number 435,000,000! Less 100,000,000 excluded…equals how much??

Oh and for the MOM – 150-52 = 98 or 65.4% of the MOM voted for…

Onwards and Upwards!

September 13, 2011
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From what I got from PC, 204 – 52 = 152
152 Voted For
52 Voted Against

We still have until Sept. 23, 2011 to put a stop to this nonsense.

September 13, 2011
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 According to Computershare (the company’s registrar and transfer agent), a total of 331,972,157 shares were voted at the meeting (about 75.4% of the issued and outstanding). The breakdown was as follows:

 

1) Reduction in stated capital (66.7% required to pass)

 

For:        278,459,833 (83.88%)

Against:  53,512,324 (16.12%)

 

2A) Approval of merger (66.7% required to pass)

 

For:        264,776,920 (83.84%)

Against:  52,707,984 (16.60%)

 

2B) Approval of merger (majority of minority required to pass)

 

For:        152,863,595 (74.36%) – (Finskiy/Scola shares excluded)

Against:  52,707,984 (25.64%)

September 13, 2011
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Do I understand correctly? Fininsky gave 50 million shares to a buddy to dilute his majority stake? An Canadian Government let's him? Why not just scuttle 43-101's too, because this is a heist. It's like Bre-X buying Century.

September 13, 2011
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Good Day All!

Just got back from the meeting, the numbers that positive carry posted above are correct as stated, unfortunately the total "NO" votes did not carry the day, it's too bad that the Fair-For-All votes switched sides, it would have made it very close.

The only CMM representatives were Campoy, Sheridan & Lamarque, Major did not show, the meeting was very quick, no time to ask any questions, not that they would have been answered any way.

A question was posed to some one there regarding the transfered shares and why were they voted for the MoM, plus if we could get a list of the shareholders with the numbers of shares, I was told that they were not sure if those shares were even voted, plus he told me that the onus was on me to identify and point out those shares (arrogance at it's best).

I've got to go out right now, I'll talk further later.

 

NSX001

September 13, 2011
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Who the hell would vote in favour of such a deal? It seems many minority shareholders missed all those News Releases by both Stockigloo and the CSC. It's quite unfortunate they drank the Kool-Aid or Finky-Boy has loads of friends that voted as minorities.

 

Canadian Regulators? Where Art Thow or should I say Where Were YOu Yell

September 13, 2011
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I haven't seen anything about the number of shares that dissented.  Does anyone have that information?  12% of issued and outstanding shares voted AGAINST, so if even half of those shares dissented, there were over 5% dissenting. 

I am pretty sure that WTG didn't have to kill the arrangement if >5% dissented – I think it was only an option WTG could take if the dissent number was high – but I am curious about the count.  I sent in my dissent notice, so I know they should have said there were at least 214,250 shares dissenting (0.05% – Yay!!).

Trying hard to see the humour,

Peachy

September 14, 2011
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From what I know, the only reason why Fink-boy would be forced to cancel the deal is if they didn't have the funds to pay out the Desenters. The more desenters, the better IMO….

September 14, 2011
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I just received a Love letter from the legal offices of Mc Millan, (Century Mining,) Informing me they will not accept my letter of Dissent, as it was not sent from " a registered share holder," My Broker, TD Ameritrade. I am consulting Corporate Actions Dept. Anyone else can expect the same love letter unless they are the "Registered shareholder," not the beneficial shareholder. I am just informing everyone of what we can expect from Century, as they are fighting their Share Holders Tooth and Nail! Continue the Fight, 9/28, We Will Win!

September 14, 2011
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I am curious, did you think that you were a registered shareholder? If not, the response you received was predictable. From the MIC:

"In many cases, Century Common Shares beneficially owned by a Non-Registered Shareholder are registered either: (a) in the name of an Intermediary, or (b) in the name of a clearing agency (such as CDS) of which the Intermediary is a participant. Accordingly, a Non-Registered Shareholder will not be entitled to exercise its Dissent Rights directly (unless the Century Common Shares are re-registered in the Non-Registered Shareholder’s name). A Non- Registered Shareholder who wishes to exercise Dissent Rights should immediately contact the Intermediary with whom the Non-Registered Shareholder deals in respect of its Century Common Shares and either: (i) instruct the Intermediary to exercise the Dissent Rights on the Non-Registered Shareholder’s behalf (which, if the Century Common Shares are registered in the name of CDS or other clearing agency, may require that such Century Common Shares first be re-registered in the name of the Intermediary), or (ii) instruct the Intermediary to re-register such Century Common Shares in the name of the Non-Registered Shareholder, in which case the Non-Registered Shareholder would be able to exercise the Dissent Rights directly."

The only thing I can suggest is that you contact your broker (is that what you mean by Corporate Actions Dept?), and see if it is not too late for you to proceed as above.

September 14, 2011
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Maybe, though, it is a blessing in disguise and you should just sell? Considering that who knows what 'fair value' will be.

September 14, 2011
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nt300, who would vote? I don't know either. The support for this uneccessary and unfair merger baffles me.

So it must be that some may have some unadvertised benefit promised, or maybe, a threat promised. Otherwise, who would support this.

Certainly not the market for CMM stock. The damning judgment of market price bears silent witness to an uneccessary and unfair merger. В конце or The end.

Nothing much more to say. We aren't at 80 cents.

So dissent it is.

September 15, 2011
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190. Right to Dissent

Objection

(5) A dissenting shareholder shall send to the corporation, at or before any meeting of shareholders at which a resolution referred to in subsection (1) or (2) is to be voted on, a written objection to the resolution, unless the corporation did not give notice to the shareholder of the purpose of the meeting and of their right to dissent.

Notice of resolution

(6) The corporation shall, within ten days after the shareholders adopt the resolution, send to each shareholder who has filed the objection referred to in subsection (5) notice that the resolution has been adopted, but such notice is not required to be sent to any shareholder who voted for the resolution or who has withdrawn their objection.

Demand for payment

(7) A dissenting shareholder shall, within twenty days after receiving a notice under subsection (6) or, if the shareholder does not receive such notice, within twenty days after learning that the resolution has been adopted, send to the corporation a written notice containing

(a) the shareholder’s name and address;

(b) the number and class of shares in respect of which the shareholder dissents; and

(c) a demand for payment of the fair value of such shares.

Share certificate

(8) A dissenting shareholder shall, within thirty days after sending a notice under subsection (7), send the certificates representing the shares in respect of which the shareholder dissents to the corporation or its transfer agent.

So, the first thing to do, filing a notice of dissent, is simple. You use plain language to declare that you object to the resolution (the merger resolution, in this case), and that you wish to dissent. If the resolution passes, you have 20 days to send in a written notice demanding a payment of fair value for your shares. Within 30 days after that, you have to send in your share certificate(s). So, you have up to 50 days after the resolution passes to obtain the share certificate(s) and to complete the submission. (I say “up to 50 days”, because each of the clocks ticks off separately. If you file your demand for fair value after only 5 days, the 30 day clock to submit the share certificate starts right then.) All submissions should be by registered mail, as you may need to verify receipt of the submissions. You should also make sure your brokerage is aware of your intention, so that they can freeze your shares until you decide whether to follow through.

During that 50 day period, you can change your mind, and decide to accept the company’s offer. (This actually happens quite frequently.)

Shares held in tax sheltered accounts cannot be filed in dissent, as you cannot obtain the share certificates without withdrawing the shares from the sheltered account. The tax-sheltering structure is a trust entity that makes you the indirect owner of the shares. It may or may not be worthwhile to pull shares out of a TFSA, but I sincerely doubt that it would make sense to pull them out of an RRSP/RESP, unless you can replace them with cash at the then current market price.

Lar

September 15, 2011
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I have just been advised by Century, Mc Millan, my notice of dissent was not sent by TD Ameritrade and was unacceptable. It is now after the meeting and too late, and nothing can be done about it. 

September 15, 2011
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Is Lar part of the CSC?

September 15, 2011
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Maria, yes he was part of the CSC.

September 15, 2011
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What about Hoch & Vos?

September 15, 2011
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Nt300, I wrote to them, and asked if they'd participate in a Class Action case.

September 15, 2011
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terrancekeean – You may want to call TD Ameritrade and ask them how in a merger like this can street stocks desent, which is exactly what you wanted to do. Explain the time-line you were up against vs. the amount of time required to put the stocks in your name and the size of the document that needed to be digested. In short, it was impossible to do this. 

 

Given the facts, you may get a favorable response from TD Ameritrade.

 

This is my opinion blah, blah, …..blah.

September 16, 2011
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TD Ameritrade has advised me: (in a VERY Fast talk,)

1) For $400 they will send a letter of Dissent for me.

2)First, I must Put all this in writing, and send them a registered letter to that effect.

3)This will take 2-3 weeks to implement.

4)Then this is between Me and the Company from then on, no legal representation. 

5)The dead line for filing this was over after the meeting took place, and I would have to hire my own attorney for court, to contest this. (at least retain one.)

Financial circumstances make this impractical for me. I will stay in the fight to the end…

September 16, 2011
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bigjohn37 said:

Nt300, I wrote to them, and asked if they'd participate in a Class Action case.

 

That is great, hope they join the fight…….

September 16, 2011
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So now that the merger has gone through I am debating whether to sell at these extreme lows or hold WTG.

The way I look at it is that WTG can go much lower because WTG is not the final form that this newly formed jackpot company will be.  Intergeo will probably not even be the final form.  

I'm thinking it goes,

 

Century < (White Tiger + Century) < (Intergeo + WTG + CMM)

< (Polyus + Intergeo + WTG + CMM)

or just Polyus steps over Intergeo and just grabs the gold project.  I'm leaving Intergeo open as a possibility though because they are another mining project of both Prokhov and Finskiy, however I like the idea more that Polyus will go straight for the Century+WTG company.

 

Intergeo's website is http://www.mmcintergeo.ru/ which is a splash page, nothing else, mainly because they are not public.

But they want to be.  They actually want to float 10% at 1-5 billion $.  If we take the average, they might get $2.5 Billion, valuing their company at $25 Billion dollars.

Maybe with some of the float that they suscribe to they will use in purchasing WTG+CMM, of course using Intergeo paper, not cash.

That's one scenario.

Or we have Polyus go straight for WTG+CMM after realizing there are serious working capital problems with the newly formed company.  Along with the many other problems that will continue like poor management, low grades and so on.  WTG share price continues to tank and Polyus buys it for next to nothing, then they get to work.

I figured back at .39 cents I should have sold, but I'm kind of the person that would rather call a bet in order to see their hand.

I continue to love the people on Stockhouse that believe WTG will "create value."  They could have created value easily using Century, but they didn't.  They duped us and diluted our positions.  Why will they create value with WTG when they can dupe us again and further dilute our positions using another company to take us over.

I have a relatively small position however, I wouldn't mind hearing if there is any possibility in a CAL.  

September 16, 2011
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Gilmourr, I'm still waiting for a member of the CSC to come out and explain to us their reasoning behind supporting the merger.  Remember, they didn't want to kill the deal, all they wanted was a better deal.  The least they could do was to explain to us their reasoning. 

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September 18, 2011
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I think a CAL may be settled for no one's benefit in my grandchildren's time. If I ever have any grandchildren.

Me too Maria. Granted, it will be a pretty shitty explanation, but that is the least I should get.

September 20, 2011
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During the flurry of the past few days someone mentioned that the CMM sign was out of the window and replaced with the Tamerlane Ventures sign.

In August, CMM moved to 288 Martin Street, suite 310 but still in Blaine. WA. 

Kent is back in her old digs.

….. who cares, ……….sure has been quiet today.

September 20, 2011
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Here is a QUOTE by PC:

For future reference you can write all the letters you want to all the regulators in the world, but until you file a formal complaint in a formal fashion and pay a fee of $5,500.00 per regulator there will be no investigation.  There has been no criminal activity contrary to what is being touted.  There are irregularities and that happens in every single transaction on any business deal.  If you don't pay for the investigation it won't happen.  That means paying in BC in AB and in Ont.

Firstly I would like to thank Positive Cary, Carib and Relic for there hard dedicated work in trying to fight the theft that took place within our company. Because of you three, I learned so much about stock trading as a whole. I would also like to thank bigjohn37, Doc, Fredericton and PayDay (Sorry if I missed others) for there hard dedicated work in trying to help other minority shareholders understand about stock trading, DD's, and so on…

BUT there's something that really stuck me upside my head, after reading something PC wrote.

Please refer to the above quote. Did the CSC know about this filing of a Formal complaint and paying the regulators to do something? Personally it sounds to me all of those NR's, PR's and such along with the many upon many e-mails and letters to the regulators basically went unanswered. This IMFO is complete incompetance and our Regulatory system is completely BROKEN…..

I mean I am almost 100% sure if we knew about this information most if not all of us would have easily raised the $5,500 or what every the cost to ensure the REGULATORS disect this merger rip-off and hopefully cancel it.

Please by all means correct me if I am wrong….

September 20, 2011
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I would just love to vent with my opinions, hind-sighting, second guessing ….. but the reality is that we put up one helluva fight by what turned out to be a small group of committed NO people.  We kept them looking over their shoulders.

I recall thinking earlier that it was a small stone that David used to slay Goliath.  Those folks are so of themselves that one day they'll make that small stone mistake.

nuf filosofee……

What I think I'm getting at is that I'd like to see those who stay in the cWmTmG game to keep the pressure on.  We have gained one helluva level of experience on what must be done.  And it doesn't matter which stock you own.  If Management and the BoD are screwing around…… nail them and nail them good.  Gloves have to come off…. punch in the face, free nose bleeds all around.

Will there be a CAL, don't know.  But Mr. Campoy, you did commit yourself in writing to bigger and better things.  He'd better produce or I want all their collective asses on a shish-ka-bob with the heat turned too high.

And then there's the issue of "Beatrice Arnolda",…. it occurred to me that Danny Major is no Peggy Kent.  Peggy got the stock up to .87, Danny got the stock down to .21….a  4:1 ratio……. this situation is so convoluted right now that it is prime positioning that somebody is going to make that "small stone" mistake.  This present situation is based on "finingaling" and not on hard ore facts.

Lastly, and this is what I really treasure out of this experience…. I met on-line with some very fine, intelligent, integrity based, fair-minded people….. at the top of my list is Relic and Carib…… along with many many others.

September 20, 2011
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Ron S., don't sell a good, strong Class Action Lawsuit short. Sure a CAL can go on for a relatively long time, and the lawyers will make a lot of money out of it (on both sides), but at least the wrongdoers will pay for their misdeeds. And they will have to make statements under oath.

Naturally, participation of minority CMM shareholders in a CAL project will be voluntary. I will have more to say about a prospective CAL case next week.

Personally, I am a stron believer in justice & fairness, as I am sure most minority CMM shareholders are. 

September 21, 2011
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RE: CAL

Thanks for your reply BJ and willingness to expand on the CAL topic later.

I have one Large Question for anyone now though:

I assume a person must remain a current shareholder to participate in a CAL at a conclusion. So full holdings for full recompense. This is important as some have to decide now to take losses and get on with life OR remain with the WTG risk and hope to recover with further action.

Also, all our talk here is wide open on the web. At some point it really should be limited some how to be fair to any lawyers working a case.

Also a seperate issue (commented in another thread) of Max/Prok funding a new RTO with lending institutions becoming wary. Is not Proko able on his own to a large extent?

Ron

September 21, 2011
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Yes, Ron S; Proko.. would be able to fund a lot of things with his billions. But both him and his buddy, Max, like to use other people's money when there is any risk involved. They are addicted to OPiuM (i.e. Other People's Money)!!!Wink

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