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October 20, 2011
10:10 pm
Carib
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The end of an era.  Should the banner on this site be re-named a Gathering Place for White Tiger Shareholders or will this site be virtually abandoned.  I'd like to hear from the regular posters and others about where they stand.  Have you sold all or part of your shares, held your position or added to it and what do you plan to do in the coming weeks?

Per today's news release, we'll have just under 300 million shares o/s when trading resumes and at today's closing price, the new WTG will have a market cap of just under $200 million.  On March 4 Century by itself had a market cap of $321 million and gold was $200/oz less than the current price.  Even if WTG's assets were worthless, the new WTG should be worth at least as much now as Century was worth on March 4 – especially with higher gold prices.

But even though WTG's assets pale in comparison to Century's they are not worthless.  Savkino is supposed to be a 20,000 oz/yr producer and WTG released very good exploration results from its Nasedkino project in late September.  We are off the Venture Exchange and on the TSX and even though the company is based in the BVI, the company still has to comply with the TSX regulations to trade on that exchange.

I don't believe there is any connection between White Tiger and Red Tiger, but time will tell.

If WTG stands on its own, it should easily have 100,000 ounces of production in 2012 which at an average cash cost of $800 will produce $80 million in cash flow.  I think it is likely that the shareprice will be discounted for a long time until investor confidence is restored and Lamaque production is proven, but let's not forget that the majority of shareholders voted for the merger.  It is up to Max now to prove that he can and really wants to build a mid-tier producer for all shareholders.

I expect good news to flow in the coming weeks.  We got Q1 and Q2 production updates very early in the quarter to create the illusion of financial distress, but that will all change now.  I expect Q3 to be a turnaround quarter for Lamaque and I'm also expecting that Q3 will be a record quarter for Savkino with perhaps 10,000 oz of production.

Today we effectively sold our Century shares for 0.4 x $0.67 for tax purposes and bought 0.4 shares of WTG for every CMM share owned at $0.67.  If your average cost of your CMM shares was more than 27 cents, you won't have to worry about capital gains and you won't need "exchangeable shares".  This also means that there won't be massive tax loss selling this fall unless WTG shares fall dramatically from here.  I just don't see that happening.  There might be a one-day dip, but I think that most that intend to sell have already done so.  I have modestly added to my position recently.

October 20, 2011
10:59 pm
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Carib, my first raction to your post is a great big THANK YOU for providing and maintaning this Blog as a gathering place for CMM shareholders. The gratitide is also directed to Relic for his service and many contributions, especially during these challenging months of this year.

As you said: the CMM era has ended, and a new chapter is about to begin. Should the site be maintained (& renamed)? I would opt for maintaining it, at least for a year. If nothing else, it may act as a conscience and guadian of minority shareholder rights. Let's see how sincere Max is about promising to build a mid-tier gold producer. Also, how the market will react to his management skills (e.g. is he going to be able to generate trust? or is he going to lie like his CMM-CEO?).

The site should probably be renamed; perhaps to:A gathering place for WTG (Century) Shareholders (since CMM is going to remain an operating subsidiary of WTG). And most of the Blog members will likely come from the CMM minority shareholder group. But I guess time will tell.  

October 20, 2011
11:23 pm
PayDay
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 I'd like to hear from the regular posters and others about where they stand.  Have you sold all or part of your shares, held your position or added to it and what do you plan to do in the coming weeks?

I still own CMM shares…down to 10% which is a far cry from the 450,000 shares I owned back in March.  I am glad I dumped all the way down yet I now wish I had listened to Peter Ball and dumped the remaining 10% at 38c after watching this POS drop another 50% after the merge to 16c!  Instead I gave those buffoons at CMM the benefit of the doubt or maybe I just held them for the satisfaction of watching them go down as even Fink-ass is in the hole under 25c!

 

Where will the stock go in the coming weeks?  ….probably down, down, down….  Fink&Co have no desire or expectation to actually CREATE shareholder value (they have proven this time and time and time again these past 9 months).  Their M.O. is to dilute the crap out of WTG (possibly with the Zaruma/Red Tiger/Intergeo as I've previously speculated) until original investors are watered down to nothing….therefore, I expect WTG to trade as low as 30c post-merge and possibly even lower depending on how well the DOW/SPX/GOLD hold or break support levels in the coming weeks.

 

I do believe the gold is there to be had in Lamaque however….and once Max has gained majority control (see Red Tiger/White Tiger/Intergeo RTO-merge) he may just take the company private to turn a profit and pay off his insider buddies.

 

A small part hopes I am wrong and therefore will sacrifice small amount of shares to see if these Russian mobsters can redeem themselves… Confused

October 20, 2011
11:43 pm
PayDay
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One more thought:

 

The TSX has much stricter listing criteria than the Venture exchange .including minimum marketcap criteria.  (CMM could not even approach the TSX without reaching commercial production 70,000 opy…. a figure even the new WTG will be hard pressed to meet (40,000 CMM + 15,000 WTG = 55,000 combined 2011)

 

 Given how the current managment team is habitually late in filing and chronically destroys its  own market cap with these RTO scams, I wonder  how long White TIger  will even trade on the TSX before getting  its first delisting warning??….

  CMM no cash, WTG no cash = ?????

 6 mo?.

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    TSX will normally consider the delisting of securities of a listed issuer if in the opinion of TSX, the financial condition and/or operating results of the listed issuer appear to be unsatisfactory or appear not to warrant continuation of the securities on the trading list.

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    Specifically, securities of a listed issuer may be delisted if

    All Issuers

    (a)

    (i) the listed issuer's financial condition is such that, in the opinion of TSX, it is questionable as to whether the listed issuer will be able to continue as a going concern. TSX will consider, among other things, the listed issuer's ability to meet its obligations as they come due, as well as its working capital position, quick asset position, total assets, capitalization, cash flow and earnings as well as accountants' or auditors' disclosures in financial statements regarding the listed issuer's ability to continue as a going concern; or
    ii) the listed issuer has ceased, or has expressed an intention to cease, to be actively engaged in any ongoing business; or
    iii) the listed issuer has discontinued or divested a substantial portion of its operations, thereby so reducing its business as to no longer merit continued listing; or

    Industrial Issuers

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    ii) annual revenue from ongoing operations of at least $3,000,000 in the most recent year.
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    (i) in the most recent year, the listed issuer has failed to carry out at least $350,000 of exploration and/or development work that is acceptable to TSX and has failed to generate revenue of at least $3,000,000 from the sale of resource-based commodities; or
    ii) the listed issuer does not have adequate working capital and an appropriate capital structure to carry on its business.
October 21, 2011
6:22 am
yikes1
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I am still holding, but have sold some of my position.  I'd appreciate this site staying "open for business", as it has been very educational over the past couple of years.

I'm with Carib on this, as I believe they had intentions of keeping the progress going even with the takeover, but once they ran into the roadblock, they started to play the games (just my opinion).  Will they make us suffer a little longer?  Maybe, but they need to show gold at some point too.  Let's not forget that Finskiy just bought 44 Million more shares of WTG at .70 cents.

 

http://www.marketwatch.com/sto…..2011-10-20

October 21, 2011
8:24 am
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i haven't sold any of my position. I too would like to thank the core group who fought so hard for our minority rights.  I'll ride this into the sunset and hopefully as Columbus discovered, the world is not flat.

October 21, 2011
11:36 am
nt300
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I dumped most of my shares at $0.77 several months ago, even before we knew about the merger. Anyhow I am still holding, these guys got what they wanted and now they better produce as they've been preaching for months now.

October 21, 2011
12:24 pm
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October 21, 2011
1:15 pm
FREDERICTON
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Carib and Relic…. very pleased to know that you, as leaders, remain in the game.

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There is no better group to monitor and react to Finskiy & Assoc. than this group who punched way above our weight.  As such I think it is crucial that this site stay active for those of us who stayed totally in the game (which I did) and for those who look seriously at WTG in the future.  We have an unparalleled level of knowledge on Finskiy and whether he likes it or not, he is the one who is clouding over the transparency that the market expects.

At some point in time he will realize that it is now in his best interests to cooperate with the market needs if he's going to keep calling on the market to fund his planned ventures.

One thing we have definately accomplished is that we've given Maxim Finskiy an observation post from which he can monitor what the market thinks of him.

Maxim Finskiy, as an OLIGARCH, has been handed his present status by the State.  He did not earn it from scratch, hammer and drill, spotlighted helmet, sweat, dust, physical risk.  He has surrounded himself by people who are not respected by the market.  They have sequestered their activities away from the spotlight of the market. 

The one concession I will make to Finskiy & Assoc. is that it would be appropriate to rename this location to White Tiger.  Consider this, it is the only thorn in their side that they cannot remove.  If they decide to get on the side of fair play and transparency…. the thorn will not hurt.  If not, we can hammer it in a little deeper.

As to the future…. my un-knowledgeable position is that on opening there will be a dip because of the uncertainty that still exists.  Thereafter, WTG will start an upward trend, no great shakes but it will be upward in order to give Finskiy & Assoc. bragging rights.

But I caution them on this reality …… for those of us who exist as CMMer's

the formula that I will use is …….     .4 X = .83 (where X = WTG price)

                        therefore when X = $2.07  (ie… WTG share price)

          then and only then will ……… 1 Danny = 1 Peggy

as it stands right now, it takes

                                                   8 Danny's = 1 Peggy

Daniel Major has a very deep mine to dig.

October 21, 2011
4:32 pm
NaturalCurrency
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I am sticking around. In fact I had increased my position during the hostilities. My personal opinion is that now they will work to appreciate the value, and have a high likelihood of success at that. But that does not take away the fact that they stole from us. 

October 21, 2011
5:37 pm
nt300
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NaturalCurrency said:

I am sticking around. In fact I had increased my position during the hostilities. My personal opinion is that now they will work to appreciate the value, and have a high likelihood of success at that. But that does not take away the fact that they stole from us. 

Yes agreed, but the worst part of all this was the fact our Regulators did Jack poo and let the bad guys get away with it. 

October 21, 2011
6:35 pm
paliman
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me too i am hanging in there with all my position till they show us the gold,which we all know is here. Carib and Relic if you decide to keep our site up and running i will be here to participate and add when i can. I like the potential new name for our site. I say our because you and relic really made me fell like i was apart of something and for this i am grateful. Now lets move into the new era. For me if the share price moves down from here ( which i dont think it will ) I will look at it as a buying opportunity, like yikes1 points out Finisky just bought 44 million shares at .70 and i am sure he knows where the gold went.

October 21, 2011
7:37 pm
Paydirt13
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Disgusted by these lowlife pirates but will exit on my terms not theirs.

I will hang in for now and hope for a reversal of fortunes but will never trust any of the players involved in this crime.

Really do appreciate the efforts and class exhibited by so many on this board -in particular Carib and Relic for all you have done with this site.

 

Paydirt13

October 22, 2011
5:06 am
Wingfong
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I am still holding all that I bought. Wish to see the site ramain open as a platform for future discussions. Belief on balance it make sense for  Max  to make the co works so that he may even use it as currency for his future moves . Further he must have something to prove to DB that the loan is payable too. 

October 24, 2011
1:15 am
terrancekeenan
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I'm also still holding on to all my shares, I think this first week will be an indicator of how long we will have to wait, one way or the other. A Name change to WTG, would be acceptable to me, but leaving it the same for a while would also be acceptable. Thx to all for their hard work, and I agree, this if not financially profitable, has been very educational! Most of all I believe I have found some gold in members of this group, if not in Century Mining B.O.D.! Best to All! 

October 24, 2011
11:11 am
Gilmourr
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Century up to 0.28 cents on a converted basis, maybe it'll hit 30 by the 4 clock bell?

Pope since this morning has been supporting at .67 cents, Finskiy probably knew he'd have to buy up the extra supply today.  There might be some short term price appreciation hope after all.

October 26, 2011
8:39 pm
blizzy
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Carib,

Thanks for all you have done. Ditto, relic.

Keep the site open, may prove valuable as we go forward.

October 26, 2011
9:16 pm
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Blizzy,

 

Good to see your still around! I personally want to thank Carib and Relic for all there hard work and dedication to this site period! Without you, it would not be possible to vent and digestWink. As far as I know, I took a calculated gamble that WTG may turn out to be better then I thought. The track record is horrendous with CMM so i figured that the only positive would be to go up.

 

On another note I truly take offense to those who pumped the dissent rights to everyone. Those same posters know who they are and continue to post here and on agoracom without shameYell.  The least you can do is apologize and say you where wrong to gain some respectability! Saying you would dissent and then turn around and pump WTG is IMHO disgusting! Have some pride and don't change course so frequently. I personally got caught up in selling and then came to my senses. Some in here most likely convinced others of selling prematurely.

 

In any case i want to say welcome back and hope WTG turns out to be half decent.

October 27, 2011
6:15 am
doc
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I received wtg shares overnight. I am aware of others also-therefore we might see a little more volume today. Hopefully towards the upside. After all miners are recording some huge third quarter profits. I think average price was 1600? We have no idea what Tpd, grade has gone through.

October 27, 2011
10:33 am
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Does anyone really care about WTG per se?  Maybe we should call the thread the Lamaque Mine Igloo instead of the White Tiger one?  I dunno, every timeSurprised I have to look at White tiger I get sick to the stomach.Embarassed  Maybe I better by stock in Tumms or Rolaids?  Just a thought, fwiw.

October 27, 2011
11:35 am
bigjohn37
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Bob, most of us on this board feel the same way as you do (about WTG). We (former CMM minority shareholders) did not want this merger; it was forced on us. And the regulators did nothing to stop it. So we have to live with it (or sell our shares).Wink

October 27, 2011
1:20 pm
nt300
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Fully agree with BigJohn, though I would like to add something PC said in an earlier post. We were suppose to pay for an investigation. If my memory serves me well, it was in the range of about $10,000 to have the regulators even think about looking at our case.

If only we knew this information earlier, perhaps something may have happened for the better.

 

On another note, WTG is currently sitting at $0.71, how low do you think it will go befofe gaining ground as it rightfully should seeing how CMM resources are massive.

October 27, 2011
2:53 pm
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I've been following this blog since the merger announcement and rooting hard for the CSC.  I have lost good money on my investment in Century and am furious to think that my loss may have been the result of intentional mismanagement and manipulation. 

It's been a mostly upsetting read; however, NT300's comment about dumping most of his shares at $.077 has provided me with a much needed moment of laugh out loud comic relief!  Thank you!

October 27, 2011
10:24 pm
PayDay
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Bob said:

Does anyone really care about WTG per se?  Maybe we should call the thread the Lamaque Mine Igloo instead of the White Tiger one?  I dunno, every timeSurprised I have to look at White tiger I get sick to the stomach.Embarassed  Maybe I better by stock in Tumms or Rolaids?  Just a thought, fwiw.

  I second the motion to change the name to Lamaque Mine Igloo…everytime I see the name White Tiger makes me want to hurl Yell

October 28, 2011
4:38 pm
nt300
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Disillusioned in Tor said:

I've been following this blog since the merger announcement and rooting hard for the CSC.  I have lost good money on my investment in Century and am furious to think that my loss may have been the result of intentional mismanagement and manipulation. 

It's been a mostly upsetting read; however, NT300's comment about dumping most of his shares at $.077 has provided me with a much needed moment of laugh out loud comic relief!  Thank you!

I am glad I made you laugh, because I would be crying if I didn't dump those 170,000 shares Wink 

October 29, 2011
10:42 pm
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At this writing, FREDERICTON is in WINGFONGS's continent backyard, namely Beijing,China.  I make this comment to point out how difficult it has been to follow the Cdn markets, Stockigloo and others with a 12 hour time shift and sometimes a day shift.  As I now go to lunch the next day, Canada is going to sleep the day before.

Wingfong deserves honourable mention for his extra efforts to stay in the loop especially during the Merger mania.

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As far as WTG, I am having arguments with my inner Devil as to what position I should take.  I need to see reality which Finskiy & Assoc. are very cleverly and deceitfully hiding from me and the rest of the market.

I do sense a trend but it is, unfortunately, through SMOG and Mirrors.

October 30, 2011
2:01 pm
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Hi FREDERICTON. I hope you are enjoying your trip to WING-FONG Continent. It's good of you to post from "way-over-there"! When you get back home, I will suggest a "special assignment" (about our 'WTG-future') for your consideration. This is to try to see through the SMOG.Wink

October 30, 2011
9:53 pm
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Fredericton, Thk U for your comment. U are right as it was difficult at times to catch up with things from a different time zone. I am still in the loop and shall likely be  for a while as I have made up my mind to hold for a while longer. I am guided by the fact that since we can't beat them, we have either to join them or bail out. It is my perception that, considering the general world equity market situations, mining sector specifics, price of gold current and in the near future and matters that are WTG/CMM specifics, on balance, I feel it is better to hold. GLTA.

November 2, 2011
6:26 am
terrancekeenan
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Ameritrade has not converted my Century Shares to WTG yet, and when pressed has said they wont trade or list them! I am now forced to transfer my shares to another Co., after 10+ yrs w/Ameritrade! They had previously told me they wouldn't represent me if I went to court, for a dissident shareholder either! Any Ideas for trading in Canada???

After the Fact, one month later, I have finally received a reply from all the E-Mails Isent out! I thought you might enjoy the Irony of their point of View of the situation!

Dear Mr. Keenan:

On behalf of the Honourable Christian Paradis, Minister of Industry, thank you for your e-mail correspondence of October 2 and October 5, 2011, regarding White Tiger Gold Ltd.’s proposed acquisition of Century Mining Corporation.

As you may know, White Tiger Gold Ltd.’s application for review to acquire Century Mining Corporation was approved by the Minister under the Investment Canada Act (ICA).

The Minister approves an application under the ICA if he is satisfied based on the plans, undertakings and other representations made by the investor that the investment is likely to be of net benefit to Canada in light of the factors listed in section 20 of the Act.

Thank you for sharing your views on this important matter.

Sincerely,

Jenifer Aitken
Director General
Investment Review Division

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